so many tabloids have fed the world fables and many of them have been taken at face value however not all have.
AllKPop is a very popular website to get your kpop news and it would seem unfounded rumors and gossip. AKP is not the only site to circulate half truths and fabrications however but it is the one in my opinion that fans the fires fueling the spark into a wild fire.
There are people who tell readers to not lay blame on AKP that they merely translate news from a tabloid. I cannot agree with the statement because it's more then just spreading the trash the tabloids have thrown to waste. Once you are posting articles about "What is Your Opinion ?" and "Truth Or Not" "Yes or No do You believe it?" you are given way to more controversy you are setting up a battle ground for Fan wars. You are encouraging net trolls and Anti fan scum and giving them a playground to sow their seeds of disgusting behaviors and unjustified hate.
T-ara is still wildly hated for a what has been proven to some extent to be mass lies, that is not to say some bullying has not gone on. The CEO has guaranteed the existence of it by the methods in which he employed to not only use the group but to make the group more famous.
The smart thing to do is to encourage a change in the whole Korean system . Punish all punishable acts not just in those who are suppose to be role models but in ordinary everyday folk as well. Bullying is a big issue why are you not doing anything? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? get courses in schools relating to violence get non profit organizations set up that help your youth. Korea apparently has the highest rate of suicides why is that? and what do you plan to do about it? do not just harp on about what Idols are doing do something about what is being done to them!
Today I went on to facebook only to find out there has been a sex scandal involving a member of big bang. Personally I do not find anything wrong with what occurred in his private life in the privacy of his own rooms. What I DO have a problem with is people put him on the chopping block using a photo that if it should be him violates his rights. He is in a state of undress unaware of the photo being taken has not consented to having the photo taken and his name is being dragged through the dirt which is slander! The photo looks like just another sasaeng stalker photo which is very common hell not that long ago the members luggage was stolen in japan so who is to say that is not just another case of sasaeng activities or even anti fan behavior.
Acting the way she has the girl has painted herself as a whore to some sleeping with him and then photographing him and telling personal sexual things involving him. There is a saying that should hold true A lady never kiss and tells. Also if it were true what the hell are you thinking not protecting yourself by safe sex! The woman must not care about herself at all to say all she ha, she painted a much unflattering picture of herself never mind of him.
I have so much to say but really just can't find the right words to express myself at this point.
Black Oceans is another topic I have been seeing often and my opinion on that is that if you go to a concert you should encourage all that are there if you are there only to cheer one group fine but there is no need to be an ass. These artists work hard it's rude to disrespect them if you truly dislike a group that is there don't go to that damn concert instead of being rude and calling for them to get off stage and being jerks. Someone stated there are groups who do not have any colours that is true there are but they are still cheered for and people still encourage them or sing along. they will still shine their light sticks it's not always about the colour showing it's about the support. Artists work hard to try and bring good music and entertainment to the world . I find it ironic so many people demand respect but have no idea how to give it themselves.
Regardless of all the rumors and even some disturbing truths these idols have not lost the crowns a top their heads. T-ara still maintains a certain amount of popularity regardless of haters trying to bring them down. Seungri will still be a heart throb females will still swoon over him and feel jealous of the woman he apparently choked out wishing it were their necks his hands clutched and their bellies his jizz landed on."Oppa hand me a towel too this way I can keep it as a reminder of our time together" the crazy ones would say. Nickkhun is still supported and missed and loved I waited patiently for his return to where I can gaze at him in open admiration. All those other idols who have been stabbed with thorns in their sides and had monkeys clinging to their backs Hwaiting! you can do it! Sasaengs and sleazy reporters go bump in the night but true fans shine a light so bright the darkness loses it's hold on our beloved entertainers.
Thursday, September 13, 2012
Thursday, August 30, 2012
Anti-Sasaengs
so we already knew that the two existed Anti's who are as bad as sasaengs and sasaengs who might as well be anti's. Now I find out that low and behold there are Sasaengs that are Anti's and Anti's that are sasaengs in otherwords haters who stalk the idols they hate.
Super Junior and JYJ/TVXQ are known to have as many anti's as fans and sasaengs recently someone showed me this Korean website, this article talks all about Super Junior and their anti fan stalkers. http://star.mk.co.kr/v2/view.php?sc=40900002&cm=%BE%C6%C0%CC%B5%B9+%BC%D2%BD%C4&year=2012&no=155042&selFlag&relatedcode&category=home
the article basically states how the people went into the home of Super Junior and left obscene and abusive messages in their home, leaving graffiti all over. And as well as in the JYJ/TVXQ case left under wear or shared their phone numbers online and posted everything they did proudly on the internet for all to see. They themselves leaving the proof of their law breaking.
Here is another Tumblr which shows more of the same only this time the writing is in english. http://kekaru.tumblr.com/post/30473656232/janie6789-super-juniors-dealing-with
(taken from the above link) Super Junior’s dealing with Anti-Sasaengs [Part 1 of 5]
While sasaeng fans are becoming the issue for other groups, Suer Junior has had to deal with persistent anti-sasaeng fans.
These anti-saseng fans have been active from 2006 until recently, and unlike regular anti-fans, they have somehow found out Super Junior’s own dorm password and have broken into their dorm, putting graffiti of swear words around the dorm and even hanging a woman’s underwear on the door. They are known as “sasaeng anti-fans”.
On top of this, they have also found out the members’ phone numbers and swear after calling them, or spreading their phone number on the internet. Furthermore, they covered their mini-hompys with language.
And instead of them being ashamed of their actions, they post their misdeeds on their cyworld, shocking greatly.
I have a cyworld account though I barely find time to go on it these days and I have to admit I have searched while doing my research and have not found anything however when on Naver I have found normal Sasaeng stalker diaries.
part 2 Super Junior has suffered from these so-called ‘anti-sasaeng’ fans for years. This is the way that Sungmin dealt with his.
He had an online chat with his anti-sasaeng, the transcript of which was posted on the anti-sasaeng’s cyworld. The translated version is posted below: *the korean writing the looks like a back wards F is laughter*
Lee Sungmin says: What do you mean by Mongol? [T/N: This was used by the anti as an insult to Sungmin]
Goo Seulah says: Mongolia is a northern nation.
Lee Sungmin says: So?
Lee Sungmin says: Why are you suddenly talking about Mongols?
Goo Seulah says: Because my 2nd language was Mongolian
Goo Seulah says: Let’s love Mongols
Lee Sungmin says: Ah
Lee Sungmin says: I see
Goo Seulah says: No
Goo Seulah says: I’m kidding
Lee Sungmin says: My 2nd language was Japanese
Lee Sungmin says: So I really like Japanese ~
Goo Seulah says: Mine was Arabic
Lee Sungmin says: Arabic sounds fun too.. ㅋ
Goo Seulah says: It was actually Chinese
Lee Sungmin says: Thai is really hard..
Goo Seulah says: So oppa you were reading ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: So you’re someone I can’t believe, right?
Goo Seulah says: Hul [T/N: Sound of shock]
Goo Seulah says: Believe me….
Goo Seulah says: When I say I fell in love with you at first sight..
Lee Sungmin says: You’re joking with me again?
Goo Seulah says: No
Goo Seulah says: Oppa
Lee Sungmin says: Since we started this conversation
Goo Seulah says: How are you doing nowadays
Lee Sungmin says: How many times have you lied to me already~^^ How can I believe you ~
Goo Seulah says: I won’t anymore
Lee Sungmin says: ^^
Lee Sungmin says: Now just stay at home
Lee Sungmin says: And watch dramas
Lee Sungmin says: And study
Goo Seulah says: Buy me something yummy
Goo Seulah says: I’m hungry
Lee Sungmin says: And practice
Lee Sungmin says: You have no food?
Goo Seulah says: No
Goo Seulah says: ㅠㅠ
Lee Sungmin says: How about your parents
Goo Seulah says: They went oat [sic]
Goo Seulah says: out
Lee Sungmin says: To work?
Goo Seulah says: No
Goo Seulah says: I don’t know ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: ???
Lee Sungmin says: So you’re alone at home?
Goo Seulah says: Yes ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: You must be bored…
Goo Seulah says: Play with me
Lee Sungmin says: I have work
Lee Sungmin says: I have to go soon
Goo Seulah says: I see
Lee Sungmin says: Why do you swear at me so much every day?
Goo Seulah says: When
Lee Sungmin says: You do it a lot
Goo Seulah says: Where
Goo Seulah says: ?
Goo Seulah says: Ah terror
Lee Sungmin says: Internet
Goo Seulah says: I’m
Goo Seulah says: Sorry
Lee Sungmin says: You suddenly don’t want to anymore?
Goo Seulah says: No, it’s not that ㅋ
Goo Seulah says: I have to study now
Lee Sungmin says: Ah, are you in your 1st year of high school now?
Goo Seulah says: No, 2nd
Lee Sungmin says: I see…
Lee Sungmin says: Where do you live?
Goo Seulah says: ___
Lee Sungmin says: ___ so it’s close to here?
Lee Sungmin says: Whereabouts?
Goo Seulah says: Near ___ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: But why are you laughing ~
Goo Seulah says: Just because
Goo Seulah says: Where Changmin oppa lives
Lee Sungmin says: I don’t know where Changmin lives ^^
Goo Seulah says: Anyway, there ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: So your school must be near there too?
Lee Sungmin says: Is it past ___?
Goo Seulah says: Oppa you came to ___, right?
Lee Sungmin says: ___? I think I know where it is
Lee Sungmin says: Why?
Lee Sungmin says: You go there?
Goo Seulah says: You came there for School of Rock
Lee Sungmin says: Ah!
Goo Seulah says: I went to ___
Lee Sungmin says: You didn’t go to ___?
Goo Seulah says: I wanted to
Goo Seulah says: But I got placed somewhere weird
Lee Sungmin says: You had to go somewhere further?
Lee Sungmin says: Is it across from ___?
Goo Seulah says: No not there
Lee Sungmin says: Is it ___?
Goo Seulah says: ___ high school
Lee Sungmin says: Where is that?
Lee Sungmin says: I don’t know~
Goo Seulah says: You don’t know it
Lee Sungmin says: I only know the school I went to~
Lee Sungmin says: So why do you keep doing terror?
Goo Seulah says: At first I just
Goo Seulah says: Namju and Hayeon
Goo Seulah says: I got to know them
Goo Seulah says: ㅋ
Goo Seulah says: I started to hang out with them
Goo Seulah says: ;ㅋ;
Goo Seulah says: I met friends whose hearts beat the same way as mine
Lee Sungmin says: And other people’s hearts don’t beat the same way as yours?ㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Hul
Lee Sungmin says: So these Namju and Hayeon kids, do they live close?
Goo Seulah says: Namju lives in ____
Goo Seulah says: And Hayeon lives in ___ I think?
Lee Sungmin says: They live far..
Goo Seulah says: Jihyeong unnie lives close ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Kang Jihyeong?
Goo Seulah says: Yes ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: The kid that keeps doing aegyo to me lately?
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ;
Lee Sungmin says: Why is she suddenly doing that?;;
Lee Sungmin says: I got so surprised
Goo Seulah says: Because she has a lot of aegyo ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Is that it?
Lee Sungmin says: ;;;
Lee Sungmin says: You don’t have any [T/N: aegyo]?
Goo Seulah says: I have a lot
Goo Seulah says: It’s serious
Goo Seulah says: Aingg
Lee Sungmin says: It’s serious.. all right..
Goo Seulah says: ㅋ;
Lee Sungmin says: Your name is Goo Seulah?
Goo Seulah says: Yes ㅋ Why?
Goo Seulah says: You thought it was a fake name?
Lee Sungmin says: You just had a lot of names
Lee Sungmin says: I wasn’t sure which was which
Goo Seulah says: No I didn’t?
Lee Sungmin says: I only knew you as Gae Sungmin~ [T/N: ‘gae’ means ‘dog’, having similar connotations as to ‘son of a bitch’ in English. It is this anti-fan’s screen name]
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Why are you adding ‘gae’ to your own name ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Why is that my name?
Goo Seulah says: It’s Sungmin
Lee Sungmin says: That’s your name~
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: ㅎㅎ
Lee Sungmin says: I’ve never thought that was my name.
Goo Seulah says: Congratulations
Lee Sungmin says: for what?
Goo Seulah says: Never mindㅋㅋㅋ
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Lee Sungmin says: Why?
Goo Seulah says: Never mindㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Have you ever followed me in a taxi and things like that too?
Goo Seulah says: Hul
Goo Seulah says: That wasn’t us..
Lee Sungmin says: That’s what I thought
Lee Sungmin says: Someone pretended she was you
Goo Seulah says: Hul
Lee Sungmin says: And followed me
Goo Seulah says: Who?
Goo Seulah says: -_-
Lee Sungmin says: I don’t know
Goo Seulah says: She said she was Gae Sungmin?
Lee Sungmin says: She didn’t say specifically that she was Gae Sungmin but
Lee Sungmin says: But anyway
Goo Seulah says: Anyway that wasn’t me
Goo Seulah says: I don’t do things like that
Lee Sungmin says: I know ~
Goo Seulah says: I study
Lee Sungmin says: Who put graffiti on the door?
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Just with the other kids
Goo Seulah says: We went and ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: What was with the underwear?
Goo Seulah says: Hul
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: That wasn’t me
Goo Seulah says: Gae Kyuhyun
Lee Sungmin says: It said Gae Sungmin~
Goo Seulah says: I went with Gae Kyuhyun
Lee Sungmin says: With a detailed picture and everything
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: So kindly
Goo Seulah says: Oppa your door was unlocked
Lee Sungmin says: You hung it up for the next door neighbour to use ~
Lee Sungmin says: It was unlocked?
Goo Seulah says: Yes
Lee Sungmin says: The door must be broken
Goo Seulah says: No, it wasn’t shut all the way
Lee Sungmin says: Oh damn it~ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: You’ve come inside?
Goo Seulah says: Not me
Goo Seulah says: I was outside
Goo Seulah says: Keeping watch ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Why?
Goo Seulah says: Because that’s breaking and entering
Lee Sungmin says: You seem like you’d be best at something like that
Goo Seulah says: I was going to run if someone came
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Even between the members, you’re most famous
Lee Sungmin says: No one even knows that there are others [T/N: they had formed a clique of sorts, and there was a ‘Gae’ anti for every member]
Goo Seulah says: I know
Goo Seulah says: Because I’m popular
Goo Seulah says: There are 13 of us for all of you though>?ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I think it’s slightly different from popularity, kid~
Goo Seulah says: Well not now but
Lee Sungmin says: Do you do well at school?
Goo Seulah says: A bit..
Lee Sungmin says: Ohh~
Goo Seulah says: I have to do what I have to firstㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Your words are so good
Lee Sungmin says: Why do your actions differ~
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: My actions are right
Goo Seulah says: I’m a good girl
Lee Sungmin says: ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Goo Seulah says: I’m so charming
Lee Sungmin says: ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Goo Seulah says: I’m so cool
Lee Sungmin says: ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Goo Seulah says: Why are you doing that
Lee Sungmin says: Why are YOU doing that
Goo Seulah says: What am I doing??
Lee Sungmin says: Why are you suddenly being like that
Goo Seulah says: Oh yeah when is your next fan signing? ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Next year?
Goo Seulah says: I see
Goo Seulah says: I’ll go to it ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: You said you weren’t a fan
Goo Seulah says: To see oppa
Lee Sungmin says: No~ It’s okay~
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: I want to go
Lee Sungmin says: To get my autograph?
Goo Seulah says: Yesㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: On your own?
Goo Seulah says: No
Goo Seulah says: With the rest
Lee Sungmin says: Don’t come
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: It’s dangerous ~
Goo Seulah says: Why!!!
Goo Seulah says: I’ll just go with unnie ㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Since I’m close with unnie
Lee Sungmin says: Kang Jiyeon?
Goo Seulah says: Kang Jihyeong ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Ah…ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Does Jihyeong swear a lot too?
Goo Seulah says: Only when she’s angryㅋㅋ..
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋ
Goo Seulah says: She’s a good person
Lee Sungmin says: She looks like it
Lee Sungmin says: You look like a good person too~
Goo Seulah says: No, I look like a bad person
Lee Sungmin says: Most of the time
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: I’m really nice
Lee Sungmin says: From what I’ve seen so far
Lee Sungmin says: I can’t agree with you yet
Lee Sungmin says: What did you say to the manager hyung..ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Kim Minsung?
Lee Sungmin says: I didn’t take the call so I don’t know but
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: It wasn’t Minsung hyung but anyway someone else~ㅋ
Goo Seulah says: I was like that to Kim Minsungㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Hyung’s reaction was funny
Goo Seulah says: Why?
Lee Sungmin says: He said you didn’t believe he was our manager
Goo Seulah says: Ah
Goo Seulah says: When I called you?
Lee Sungmin says: You were swearing..ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: ㅇㅇ
Goo Seulah says: It was Gaemanager?ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: You talked to him
Goo Seulah says: Yesㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: You said gae again…
Goo Seulah says: That ahjusshi
Lee Sungmin says: Sigh… How will this bad behaviour of yours be fixed?
Goo Seulah says: ;;
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: And you know how you
Lee Sungmin says: Apologized and left me a note
Goo Seulah says: Yes
Lee Sungmin says: That made me laugh out loud~
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Who?
Lee Sungmin says: I almost fell over laughing
Goo Seulah says: Why?
Lee Sungmin says: When you said you’d buy me dinner when you had time~
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: You were happy right
Goo Seulah says: Inside
Lee Sungmin says: Happy?
Lee Sungmin says: I wasn’t sure if it was really an apology…
Goo Seulah says: It was
Lee Sungmin says: I didn’t believe you inside~
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: It was for real;
Lee Sungmin says: When you said you’d buy me dinner
Lee Sungmin says: I didn’t believe you once more~
Goo Seulah says: -.-;
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Can I bring Namju?
Lee Sungmin says: But you were still
Lee Sungmin says: No~
Lee Sungmin says: What if I want to talk to just you?
Goo Seulah says: I can’t bring her?
Lee Sungmin says: No
Goo Seulah says: She has a lot to say
Lee Sungmin says: Again?
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Namju
Lee Sungmin says: No
Goo Seulah says: Okay I won’t
Goo Seulah says: is telling me to tell me something
Lee Sungmin says: yep~
Goo Seulah says: Why is Lee Minyoung butting in Why is she commenting on my hompy [T/N: Lee Minyoung is Sungmin’s personal friend]
Goo Seulah says: she says
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: So why are you commenting on mine?
Goo Seulah says: Oppa but Namju’s really nice ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I’m not sure about that
Lee Sungmin says: I don’t like people who don’t speak nice
Goo Seulah says: She asked me to tell you something else
Goo Seulah says: Can I? ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Wht
Lee Sungmin says: What
Goo Seulah says: But she started swearingㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Just tell me as it is^^
Goo Seulah says: Whether I did or not, I commented on yours, did I ever comment on Lee Minyoung’s? Just tell her to butt out, fuck
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: She’s nice?
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Sigh..
Goo Seulah says: Namju
Lee Sungmin says: She should be careful of her speech..
Goo Seulah says: She speaks like that but she’s really nice;ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: You don’t know that~
Lee Sungmin says: For me
Goo Seulah says: Yeah
Lee Sungmin says: That means she can’t control her own emotions~
Lee Sungmin says: Namju
Lee Sungmin says: Tsk..
Goo Seulah says: ㅎ;
Lee Sungmin says: If I say this, I’ll seem too old but
Lee Sungmin says: When she gets older
Lee Sungmin says: She’ll be criticized so much everywhere…
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I feel bad when I see something like that..
Goo Seulah says: Namju only does that on the internet
Goo Seulah says: But in reality
Goo Seulah says: She’s a really good person ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: But the fact that she’s like that on the internet means she might be like that in reality~
Goo Seulah says: No
Lee Sungmin says: No?
Goo Seulah says: I’ve known her for 2 years…ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Anyway, she’s not my style~
Lee Sungmin says: I don’t really want to get close to her
Goo Seulah says: You gave her a necklace thoughㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I did?
Goo Seulah says: Yes
Lee Sungmin says: Huh?
Goo Seulah says: Minyoung
Lee Sungmin says: When?
Goo Seulah says: When she and Namju met
Goo Seulah says: Minyoung gave her
Goo Seulah says: a necklace saying it was yours
Lee Sungmin says: Namju is
Lee Sungmin says: Haoul? [T/N: One of Namju’s screen names. There was a rumour that Sungmin had planned to name his child Haoul]
Goo Seulah says: Yes
Lee Sungmin says: Ah
Lee Sungmin says: Or is it Hayeon?
Goo Seulah says: Hayeon is someone else
Goo Seulah says: Lee Haoul is Namju
Lee Sungmin says: Ah really?
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I didn’t talk to her in person so I didn’t know!!
Lee Sungmin says: Darn..
Lee Sungmin says: I was trolled
Goo Seulah says: You thought Hayeon was Haoul?ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: She does that even after she got the necklace?
Lee Sungmin says: Yeah, I thought she changed her name
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Sigh…
Lee Sungmin says: The disappointment is huge, Namju..
Lee Sungmin says: I really thought
Lee Sungmin says: She changed her ways after talking to Minyoung noona
Lee Sungmin says: Damn it..
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: So she came with her mother then?
Goo Seulah says: Yes
Goo Seulah says: Why didn’t you come to meet Namju..ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Tell her to speak pretty!
Lee Sungmin says: Because I have work!!!
Lee Sungmin says: I wanted to talk to her in person too~
Goo Seulah says: I was invited to that too..ㅋ
Goo Seulah says: I didn’t go thoughㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Is the necklace still doing okay?
Goo Seulah says: Probably ㅋ I didn’t ask
Lee Sungmin says: She didn’t throw it out?
Goo Seulah says: I don’t know, why would sheㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: She swore at me so much
Lee Sungmin says: Why wouldn’t I think that way? ^^
Goo Seulah says: She didn’t throw it out
Goo Seulah says: I just asked her
Lee Sungmin says: Okay
Lee Sungmin says: Tell her thank you from me
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Tell her to look at it
Lee Sungmin says: And remember to speak nicely
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: You like the sea?
Goo Seulah says: I willㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Who?
Lee Sungmin says: You
Goo Seulah says: No I don’t
Goo Seulah says: Why?
Lee Sungmin says: That picture isn’t of the sea?
Goo Seulah says: Ah;
Goo Seulah says: ㅋ
Goo Seulah says: That;
Goo Seulah says: I went on a trip with friends
Lee Sungmin says: It must be nice to go on trips with friends~
Goo Seulah says: It was no fun
Lee Sungmin says: I used to go too
Lee Sungmin says: But after I graduated high school
Lee Sungmin says: There wasn’t a lot of time to go
Goo Seulah says: I skipped school to go ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: There are MTs and things in university…
Lee Sungmin says: I skipped school to go too
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I went to Chuncheon
Goo Seulah says: I didn’t want to go to school so ㅎ
Lee Sungmin says: On a train
Goo Seulah says: Me too
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I can’t do those things anymore..
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Sigh..
Goo Seulah says: Why?ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I’m jealous of you~
Lee Sungmin says: I want to go on the train
Lee Sungmin says: And go on trips
Lee Sungmin says: I want to enjoy comfortably..
Lee Sungmin says: I can’t
Lee Sungmin says: Because I have something called the company
Goo Seulah says: Why ㅋㅋAh
Lee Sungmin says: And I have managers…
Lee Sungmin says: Anyway, I have work so I have to go~
Lee Sungmin says: Sleep tight~
Goo Seulah says: Already
Goo Seulah says: I’m not sleeping yet
Lee Sungmin says: Ah just
Lee Sungmin says: I’m just saying it in advance
Goo Seulah says: Ahㅋㅋ okay
Lee Sungmin says: There’s not a particularly ending ment either
this made me admire him all the more if it is indeed true.
Super Junior and JYJ/TVXQ are known to have as many anti's as fans and sasaengs recently someone showed me this Korean website, this article talks all about Super Junior and their anti fan stalkers. http://star.mk.co.kr/v2/view.php?sc=40900002&cm=%BE%C6%C0%CC%B5%B9+%BC%D2%BD%C4&year=2012&no=155042&selFlag&relatedcode&category=home
the article basically states how the people went into the home of Super Junior and left obscene and abusive messages in their home, leaving graffiti all over. And as well as in the JYJ/TVXQ case left under wear or shared their phone numbers online and posted everything they did proudly on the internet for all to see. They themselves leaving the proof of their law breaking.
Here is another Tumblr which shows more of the same only this time the writing is in english. http://kekaru.tumblr.com/post/30473656232/janie6789-super-juniors-dealing-with
(taken from the above link) Super Junior’s dealing with Anti-Sasaengs [Part 1 of 5]
While sasaeng fans are becoming the issue for other groups, Suer Junior has had to deal with persistent anti-sasaeng fans.
These anti-saseng fans have been active from 2006 until recently, and unlike regular anti-fans, they have somehow found out Super Junior’s own dorm password and have broken into their dorm, putting graffiti of swear words around the dorm and even hanging a woman’s underwear on the door. They are known as “sasaeng anti-fans”.
On top of this, they have also found out the members’ phone numbers and swear after calling them, or spreading their phone number on the internet. Furthermore, they covered their mini-hompys with language.
And instead of them being ashamed of their actions, they post their misdeeds on their cyworld, shocking greatly.
I have a cyworld account though I barely find time to go on it these days and I have to admit I have searched while doing my research and have not found anything however when on Naver I have found normal Sasaeng stalker diaries.
part 2 Super Junior has suffered from these so-called ‘anti-sasaeng’ fans for years. This is the way that Sungmin dealt with his.
He had an online chat with his anti-sasaeng, the transcript of which was posted on the anti-sasaeng’s cyworld. The translated version is posted below: *the korean writing the looks like a back wards F is laughter*
Lee Sungmin says: What do you mean by Mongol? [T/N: This was used by the anti as an insult to Sungmin]
Goo Seulah says: Mongolia is a northern nation.
Lee Sungmin says: So?
Lee Sungmin says: Why are you suddenly talking about Mongols?
Goo Seulah says: Because my 2nd language was Mongolian
Goo Seulah says: Let’s love Mongols
Lee Sungmin says: Ah
Lee Sungmin says: I see
Goo Seulah says: No
Goo Seulah says: I’m kidding
Lee Sungmin says: My 2nd language was Japanese
Lee Sungmin says: So I really like Japanese ~
Goo Seulah says: Mine was Arabic
Lee Sungmin says: Arabic sounds fun too.. ㅋ
Goo Seulah says: It was actually Chinese
Lee Sungmin says: Thai is really hard..
Goo Seulah says: So oppa you were reading ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: So you’re someone I can’t believe, right?
Goo Seulah says: Hul [T/N: Sound of shock]
Goo Seulah says: Believe me….
Goo Seulah says: When I say I fell in love with you at first sight..
Lee Sungmin says: You’re joking with me again?
Goo Seulah says: No
Goo Seulah says: Oppa
Lee Sungmin says: Since we started this conversation
Goo Seulah says: How are you doing nowadays
Lee Sungmin says: How many times have you lied to me already~^^ How can I believe you ~
Goo Seulah says: I won’t anymore
Lee Sungmin says: ^^
Lee Sungmin says: Now just stay at home
Lee Sungmin says: And watch dramas
Lee Sungmin says: And study
Goo Seulah says: Buy me something yummy
Goo Seulah says: I’m hungry
Lee Sungmin says: And practice
Lee Sungmin says: You have no food?
Goo Seulah says: No
Goo Seulah says: ㅠㅠ
Lee Sungmin says: How about your parents
Goo Seulah says: They went oat [sic]
Goo Seulah says: out
Lee Sungmin says: To work?
Goo Seulah says: No
Goo Seulah says: I don’t know ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: ???
Lee Sungmin says: So you’re alone at home?
Goo Seulah says: Yes ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: You must be bored…
Goo Seulah says: Play with me
Lee Sungmin says: I have work
Lee Sungmin says: I have to go soon
Goo Seulah says: I see
Lee Sungmin says: Why do you swear at me so much every day?
Goo Seulah says: When
Lee Sungmin says: You do it a lot
Goo Seulah says: Where
Goo Seulah says: ?
Goo Seulah says: Ah terror
Lee Sungmin says: Internet
Goo Seulah says: I’m
Goo Seulah says: Sorry
Lee Sungmin says: You suddenly don’t want to anymore?
Goo Seulah says: No, it’s not that ㅋ
Goo Seulah says: I have to study now
Lee Sungmin says: Ah, are you in your 1st year of high school now?
Goo Seulah says: No, 2nd
Lee Sungmin says: I see…
Lee Sungmin says: Where do you live?
Goo Seulah says: ___
Lee Sungmin says: ___ so it’s close to here?
Lee Sungmin says: Whereabouts?
Goo Seulah says: Near ___ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: But why are you laughing ~
Goo Seulah says: Just because
Goo Seulah says: Where Changmin oppa lives
Lee Sungmin says: I don’t know where Changmin lives ^^
Goo Seulah says: Anyway, there ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: So your school must be near there too?
Lee Sungmin says: Is it past ___?
Goo Seulah says: Oppa you came to ___, right?
Lee Sungmin says: ___? I think I know where it is
Lee Sungmin says: Why?
Lee Sungmin says: You go there?
Goo Seulah says: You came there for School of Rock
Lee Sungmin says: Ah!
Goo Seulah says: I went to ___
Lee Sungmin says: You didn’t go to ___?
Goo Seulah says: I wanted to
Goo Seulah says: But I got placed somewhere weird
Lee Sungmin says: You had to go somewhere further?
Lee Sungmin says: Is it across from ___?
Goo Seulah says: No not there
Lee Sungmin says: Is it ___?
Goo Seulah says: ___ high school
Lee Sungmin says: Where is that?
Lee Sungmin says: I don’t know~
Goo Seulah says: You don’t know it
Lee Sungmin says: I only know the school I went to~
Lee Sungmin says: So why do you keep doing terror?
Goo Seulah says: At first I just
Goo Seulah says: Namju and Hayeon
Goo Seulah says: I got to know them
Goo Seulah says: ㅋ
Goo Seulah says: I started to hang out with them
Goo Seulah says: ;ㅋ;
Goo Seulah says: I met friends whose hearts beat the same way as mine
Lee Sungmin says: And other people’s hearts don’t beat the same way as yours?ㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Hul
Lee Sungmin says: So these Namju and Hayeon kids, do they live close?
Goo Seulah says: Namju lives in ____
Goo Seulah says: And Hayeon lives in ___ I think?
Lee Sungmin says: They live far..
Goo Seulah says: Jihyeong unnie lives close ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Kang Jihyeong?
Goo Seulah says: Yes ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: The kid that keeps doing aegyo to me lately?
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ;
Lee Sungmin says: Why is she suddenly doing that?;;
Lee Sungmin says: I got so surprised
Goo Seulah says: Because she has a lot of aegyo ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Is that it?
Lee Sungmin says: ;;;
Lee Sungmin says: You don’t have any [T/N: aegyo]?
Goo Seulah says: I have a lot
Goo Seulah says: It’s serious
Goo Seulah says: Aingg
Lee Sungmin says: It’s serious.. all right..
Goo Seulah says: ㅋ;
Lee Sungmin says: Your name is Goo Seulah?
Goo Seulah says: Yes ㅋ Why?
Goo Seulah says: You thought it was a fake name?
Lee Sungmin says: You just had a lot of names
Lee Sungmin says: I wasn’t sure which was which
Goo Seulah says: No I didn’t?
Lee Sungmin says: I only knew you as Gae Sungmin~ [T/N: ‘gae’ means ‘dog’, having similar connotations as to ‘son of a bitch’ in English. It is this anti-fan’s screen name]
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Why are you adding ‘gae’ to your own name ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Why is that my name?
Goo Seulah says: It’s Sungmin
Lee Sungmin says: That’s your name~
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: ㅎㅎ
Lee Sungmin says: I’ve never thought that was my name.
Goo Seulah says: Congratulations
Lee Sungmin says: for what?
Goo Seulah says: Never mindㅋㅋㅋ
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Lee Sungmin says: Why?
Goo Seulah says: Never mindㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Have you ever followed me in a taxi and things like that too?
Goo Seulah says: Hul
Goo Seulah says: That wasn’t us..
Lee Sungmin says: That’s what I thought
Lee Sungmin says: Someone pretended she was you
Goo Seulah says: Hul
Lee Sungmin says: And followed me
Goo Seulah says: Who?
Goo Seulah says: -_-
Lee Sungmin says: I don’t know
Goo Seulah says: She said she was Gae Sungmin?
Lee Sungmin says: She didn’t say specifically that she was Gae Sungmin but
Lee Sungmin says: But anyway
Goo Seulah says: Anyway that wasn’t me
Goo Seulah says: I don’t do things like that
Lee Sungmin says: I know ~
Goo Seulah says: I study
Lee Sungmin says: Who put graffiti on the door?
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Just with the other kids
Goo Seulah says: We went and ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: What was with the underwear?
Goo Seulah says: Hul
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: That wasn’t me
Goo Seulah says: Gae Kyuhyun
Lee Sungmin says: It said Gae Sungmin~
Goo Seulah says: I went with Gae Kyuhyun
Lee Sungmin says: With a detailed picture and everything
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: So kindly
Goo Seulah says: Oppa your door was unlocked
Lee Sungmin says: You hung it up for the next door neighbour to use ~
Lee Sungmin says: It was unlocked?
Goo Seulah says: Yes
Lee Sungmin says: The door must be broken
Goo Seulah says: No, it wasn’t shut all the way
Lee Sungmin says: Oh damn it~ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: You’ve come inside?
Goo Seulah says: Not me
Goo Seulah says: I was outside
Goo Seulah says: Keeping watch ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Why?
Goo Seulah says: Because that’s breaking and entering
Lee Sungmin says: You seem like you’d be best at something like that
Goo Seulah says: I was going to run if someone came
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Even between the members, you’re most famous
Lee Sungmin says: No one even knows that there are others [T/N: they had formed a clique of sorts, and there was a ‘Gae’ anti for every member]
Goo Seulah says: I know
Goo Seulah says: Because I’m popular
Goo Seulah says: There are 13 of us for all of you though>?ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I think it’s slightly different from popularity, kid~
Goo Seulah says: Well not now but
Lee Sungmin says: Do you do well at school?
Goo Seulah says: A bit..
Lee Sungmin says: Ohh~
Goo Seulah says: I have to do what I have to firstㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Your words are so good
Lee Sungmin says: Why do your actions differ~
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: My actions are right
Goo Seulah says: I’m a good girl
Lee Sungmin says: ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Goo Seulah says: I’m so charming
Lee Sungmin says: ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Goo Seulah says: I’m so cool
Lee Sungmin says: ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Goo Seulah says: Why are you doing that
Lee Sungmin says: Why are YOU doing that
Goo Seulah says: What am I doing??
Lee Sungmin says: Why are you suddenly being like that
Goo Seulah says: Oh yeah when is your next fan signing? ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Next year?
Goo Seulah says: I see
Goo Seulah says: I’ll go to it ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: You said you weren’t a fan
Goo Seulah says: To see oppa
Lee Sungmin says: No~ It’s okay~
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: I want to go
Lee Sungmin says: To get my autograph?
Goo Seulah says: Yesㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: On your own?
Goo Seulah says: No
Goo Seulah says: With the rest
Lee Sungmin says: Don’t come
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: It’s dangerous ~
Goo Seulah says: Why!!!
Goo Seulah says: I’ll just go with unnie ㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Since I’m close with unnie
Lee Sungmin says: Kang Jiyeon?
Goo Seulah says: Kang Jihyeong ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Ah…ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Does Jihyeong swear a lot too?
Goo Seulah says: Only when she’s angryㅋㅋ..
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋ
Goo Seulah says: She’s a good person
Lee Sungmin says: She looks like it
Lee Sungmin says: You look like a good person too~
Goo Seulah says: No, I look like a bad person
Lee Sungmin says: Most of the time
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: I’m really nice
Lee Sungmin says: From what I’ve seen so far
Lee Sungmin says: I can’t agree with you yet
Lee Sungmin says: What did you say to the manager hyung..ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Kim Minsung?
Lee Sungmin says: I didn’t take the call so I don’t know but
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: It wasn’t Minsung hyung but anyway someone else~ㅋ
Goo Seulah says: I was like that to Kim Minsungㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Hyung’s reaction was funny
Goo Seulah says: Why?
Lee Sungmin says: He said you didn’t believe he was our manager
Goo Seulah says: Ah
Goo Seulah says: When I called you?
Lee Sungmin says: You were swearing..ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: ㅇㅇ
Goo Seulah says: It was Gaemanager?ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: You talked to him
Goo Seulah says: Yesㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: You said gae again…
Goo Seulah says: That ahjusshi
Lee Sungmin says: Sigh… How will this bad behaviour of yours be fixed?
Goo Seulah says: ;;
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: And you know how you
Lee Sungmin says: Apologized and left me a note
Goo Seulah says: Yes
Lee Sungmin says: That made me laugh out loud~
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Who?
Lee Sungmin says: I almost fell over laughing
Goo Seulah says: Why?
Lee Sungmin says: When you said you’d buy me dinner when you had time~
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: You were happy right
Goo Seulah says: Inside
Lee Sungmin says: Happy?
Lee Sungmin says: I wasn’t sure if it was really an apology…
Goo Seulah says: It was
Lee Sungmin says: I didn’t believe you inside~
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: It was for real;
Lee Sungmin says: When you said you’d buy me dinner
Lee Sungmin says: I didn’t believe you once more~
Goo Seulah says: -.-;
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Can I bring Namju?
Lee Sungmin says: But you were still
Lee Sungmin says: No~
Lee Sungmin says: What if I want to talk to just you?
Goo Seulah says: I can’t bring her?
Lee Sungmin says: No
Goo Seulah says: She has a lot to say
Lee Sungmin says: Again?
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Namju
Lee Sungmin says: No
Goo Seulah says: Okay I won’t
Goo Seulah says: is telling me to tell me something
Lee Sungmin says: yep~
Goo Seulah says: Why is Lee Minyoung butting in Why is she commenting on my hompy [T/N: Lee Minyoung is Sungmin’s personal friend]
Goo Seulah says: she says
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: So why are you commenting on mine?
Goo Seulah says: Oppa but Namju’s really nice ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I’m not sure about that
Lee Sungmin says: I don’t like people who don’t speak nice
Goo Seulah says: She asked me to tell you something else
Goo Seulah says: Can I? ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Wht
Lee Sungmin says: What
Goo Seulah says: But she started swearingㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Just tell me as it is^^
Goo Seulah says: Whether I did or not, I commented on yours, did I ever comment on Lee Minyoung’s? Just tell her to butt out, fuck
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: She’s nice?
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Sigh..
Goo Seulah says: Namju
Lee Sungmin says: She should be careful of her speech..
Goo Seulah says: She speaks like that but she’s really nice;ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: You don’t know that~
Lee Sungmin says: For me
Goo Seulah says: Yeah
Lee Sungmin says: That means she can’t control her own emotions~
Lee Sungmin says: Namju
Lee Sungmin says: Tsk..
Goo Seulah says: ㅎ;
Lee Sungmin says: If I say this, I’ll seem too old but
Lee Sungmin says: When she gets older
Lee Sungmin says: She’ll be criticized so much everywhere…
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I feel bad when I see something like that..
Goo Seulah says: Namju only does that on the internet
Goo Seulah says: But in reality
Goo Seulah says: She’s a really good person ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: But the fact that she’s like that on the internet means she might be like that in reality~
Goo Seulah says: No
Lee Sungmin says: No?
Goo Seulah says: I’ve known her for 2 years…ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Anyway, she’s not my style~
Lee Sungmin says: I don’t really want to get close to her
Goo Seulah says: You gave her a necklace thoughㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I did?
Goo Seulah says: Yes
Lee Sungmin says: Huh?
Goo Seulah says: Minyoung
Lee Sungmin says: When?
Goo Seulah says: When she and Namju met
Goo Seulah says: Minyoung gave her
Goo Seulah says: a necklace saying it was yours
Lee Sungmin says: Namju is
Lee Sungmin says: Haoul? [T/N: One of Namju’s screen names. There was a rumour that Sungmin had planned to name his child Haoul]
Goo Seulah says: Yes
Lee Sungmin says: Ah
Lee Sungmin says: Or is it Hayeon?
Goo Seulah says: Hayeon is someone else
Goo Seulah says: Lee Haoul is Namju
Lee Sungmin says: Ah really?
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I didn’t talk to her in person so I didn’t know!!
Lee Sungmin says: Darn..
Lee Sungmin says: I was trolled
Goo Seulah says: You thought Hayeon was Haoul?ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: She does that even after she got the necklace?
Lee Sungmin says: Yeah, I thought she changed her name
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Sigh…
Lee Sungmin says: The disappointment is huge, Namju..
Lee Sungmin says: I really thought
Lee Sungmin says: She changed her ways after talking to Minyoung noona
Lee Sungmin says: Damn it..
Goo Seulah says: ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: So she came with her mother then?
Goo Seulah says: Yes
Goo Seulah says: Why didn’t you come to meet Namju..ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Tell her to speak pretty!
Lee Sungmin says: Because I have work!!!
Lee Sungmin says: I wanted to talk to her in person too~
Goo Seulah says: I was invited to that too..ㅋ
Goo Seulah says: I didn’t go thoughㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Is the necklace still doing okay?
Goo Seulah says: Probably ㅋ I didn’t ask
Lee Sungmin says: She didn’t throw it out?
Goo Seulah says: I don’t know, why would sheㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: She swore at me so much
Lee Sungmin says: Why wouldn’t I think that way? ^^
Goo Seulah says: She didn’t throw it out
Goo Seulah says: I just asked her
Lee Sungmin says: Okay
Lee Sungmin says: Tell her thank you from me
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Tell her to look at it
Lee Sungmin says: And remember to speak nicely
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: You like the sea?
Goo Seulah says: I willㅋㅋ
Goo Seulah says: Who?
Lee Sungmin says: You
Goo Seulah says: No I don’t
Goo Seulah says: Why?
Lee Sungmin says: That picture isn’t of the sea?
Goo Seulah says: Ah;
Goo Seulah says: ㅋ
Goo Seulah says: That;
Goo Seulah says: I went on a trip with friends
Lee Sungmin says: It must be nice to go on trips with friends~
Goo Seulah says: It was no fun
Lee Sungmin says: I used to go too
Lee Sungmin says: But after I graduated high school
Lee Sungmin says: There wasn’t a lot of time to go
Goo Seulah says: I skipped school to go ㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: There are MTs and things in university…
Lee Sungmin says: I skipped school to go too
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I went to Chuncheon
Goo Seulah says: I didn’t want to go to school so ㅎ
Lee Sungmin says: On a train
Goo Seulah says: Me too
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I can’t do those things anymore..
Lee Sungmin says: ㅋㅋㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: Sigh..
Goo Seulah says: Why?ㅋ
Lee Sungmin says: I’m jealous of you~
Lee Sungmin says: I want to go on the train
Lee Sungmin says: And go on trips
Lee Sungmin says: I want to enjoy comfortably..
Lee Sungmin says: I can’t
Lee Sungmin says: Because I have something called the company
Goo Seulah says: Why ㅋㅋAh
Lee Sungmin says: And I have managers…
Lee Sungmin says: Anyway, I have work so I have to go~
Lee Sungmin says: Sleep tight~
Goo Seulah says: Already
Goo Seulah says: I’m not sleeping yet
Lee Sungmin says: Ah just
Lee Sungmin says: I’m just saying it in advance
Goo Seulah says: Ahㅋㅋ okay
Lee Sungmin says: There’s not a particularly ending ment either
this made me admire him all the more if it is indeed true.
Tuesday, August 7, 2012
drama drama drama
the world of Korean entertainment is one full of drama. I do not say this just because they have amazingly popular high in demand dramas which they film ridiculously . Drama episodes are filmed recklessly close to being Live TV. I feel sorry for the actors and staff but no that is not what I meant in the least .
It feels like years to me since the tragedy Daesung was involved with when he was involved in an accident that cost a man his life. Though the drunken unconscious man could have been dead before Daesung accidentally ran him over. Fans and non fans were disgruntled over what had happened.
It's understandable to be upset to a certain point , however some people take things too far.
He was driving carelessly but he did not cause the accident, that however did not stop people from accusing him of being under the influence (which he wasn't). Apparently it was a case of involuntary manslaughter only god knows the absolute truth about that.
The reason this incident as well as Kagin's Hit and Run where he later turned himself in have become a remembered incidents recently is due to Nickkhuns DUI. After having 2 glasses of beer at a company party he drove home since he had a flight to Japan the next morning. On his way home he failed to check the intersection as did the on coming motorcyclist who was not wearing his safety equipment. Had he been wearing the safety equipment perhaps he would have been less injured.
Korean Culture tends to leave little room for flaws , perfection does not exist but they strive for it so desperately you are shunned for showing flaws.
I will show you some things that have been said about these men and other entertainers. Men whom don't get let off the hook where any tom dick or harry would because They ARE Idols. People Assume they will get special treatment due to status but no my friends Idols in Korea do not get let off the hook due to fame though "normal" Citizens are , they use Idols as scape goats but do not punish everyday ordinary folks. I'll also show opinions on the way they are treated by fans from fans.
Drunk Driving' Nichkhun makes a public apology "I would like to write this letter of apology for such an irresponsible act"
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....정말 식겁했다 --;;
막무가내로 감싸주는 빠순이들은 진짜
인간의 최소한의 개념도 없는 그냥 된장녀다
본인 가족들이 만약 그랬다면 어떠할지 참...
옳고 그름은 확실히 하자 스레기들아
The news really shocked me --;; The stupid fangirls that keep protecting him need to realize that they don't have the most basic common sense of a human being. If this had happened to one of their family members, how differently would they have reacted... Let's differentiate between right and wrong, you trash
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트위터에 한글로 잘 만 글 써올리더니
지가 잘못한게 있으니깐 영어로 씨부리네
태국으로 가라
라디오스타나와서 말하는거보니 박진영 닮아 언플 잘 하드만
첨엔 순수해서 좋았는데
이젠 티비에서 별루 보고싶지않다.
He used to be fine writing Korean on his Twitter, but now that he's done something wrong, he only writes in English. Just go back to Thailand. Just like Park Jin Young, I noticed that he was good at making up a public image for himself with media play on Radio Star. I liked him because I thought he was innocent, but now I don't even want to see him on TV.
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드렁쿤
Drunkhun
"Return after reflection"... Nichkhun officially announces halt in activities
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닉쿤이 음주운전으로 사람치면 => 오빠가 술먹고그럴수도잇찌 ㅠㅠ
음주운전자가 닉쿤치면 => 개XX 니가 사람이냐!!! 시X !!!
When Nichkhun hits a person while drunk driving => Oppa could do that if he was drunk T_T
If a drunk driver hits Nichkhun => Son of a bitch, how could you call yourself human!!! Fuck!!!
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돌아오다니?ㅡㅡ
Do you HAVE to come back?
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대마지용 강인구속 박유천식에 이은 또다른작품
드.렁.쿤
Marijuana Jiyong, Kangin Prison, Yoochun Asthma, and now Drunkhun
One Night', 'Drunk Driving' Alex reported, but not Nichkhun?
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한밤은 3대 기획사 똥꼬빠는곳인데 모르나?ㅋㅋ대마드래곤도 방송 안나왔던곳임 ㅋㅋㅋ
Didn't you know that the show sucks on the assholes of the big three? ㅋㅋ Marijuana Dragon wasn't reported on either ㅋㅋㅋ
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첫소식부터 음원차트 조작 나오길래 딱 알아봤다ㅉㅉ
대형기획사가 그냥 스케일만 크다고 대형기획사가 아니고
자기 식구들 사고 칠때마다 어느정도 커버까지 쳐줄수 있는
힘이있기 때문에 대형기획사다ㅉㅉ 아무튼 닉쿤 빨리 니들나라로
꺼져 이 외국인새끼야ㅉㅉ
I knew when the first article released today was about some music chart manipulation. A big company is not just a big company in size but because they have the power to cover for their artists whenever they fuck up. Anyway, I hope Nichkun hurries up and fucks off to his country. Screw off, foreigner.
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돌아가~너네나라로!!
Go back~ to your country!!
Marijuana Jiyong, Kangin Prison, Yoochun Asthma, speed bum daesung and now Drunkhun Hating on Yoochun because he has asthma?
If I wasn't into KPOP already and saw those comments,I'd be like
''wow,Koreans must be a really trashy race if the highest rated comments on one of the most read websites are like that''
Look at them pretending to be flawless beings. Sickening. THEN,they accuse sasaengs of being 'evil'
wow,it seems like everyone says that netizens treat both Daesung and Nickhun differently coz' Daesung is more popular...NO,Netizens doesn't treat Daesung nicely at all...during his case, a lot of netizens been sending their hate to him...saying that he should just kill himself and just stop being a celebrity..Daesung isolate himself and find peace at the church..and when he make a public appearance with BigBang..he still receives hate though...the thing is the netizens will always react the same way when idols involve in a big scandal..but it'll go away with time...people started to accept Daesung after some time...and the same thing will happen to Nickhun too...so stop saying that people are being unfair to Nickhun and compare it to Daesung...coz' it just not right...let just wait and see how JYPE will handle this case...i just hope JYPE didn't kick Nickhun out just like what they did to Jay...finger cross...
That is incredibly mean! I understand that what Nichkhun did was not right, and that he should reflect and get the same punishment as anybody else would but I don't understand the need for people to say such horrible things to him. It's like bullying the bully who has realized that what he did was wrong and is getting punished by the teacher already, how does that make any sense? You're doing things just as bad/worse than what he did and if I remember correctly, we moved away for the eye for a eye philosophy a couple of hundreds of years ago (and to ask for him to die, that's actually even worse than simply an eye for an eye). It's not a matter of being a crazy fangirl, or forgiving him just because he's an idol, but rather that he should get the lawful punishment but not senseless emotional bashing (you complain that people who aren't idols won't get special treatment yet emotionally tear down every single frickin idol who does something wrong...yeah I clearly see how idols get "special treatment"). Damn hypocrites, whoever is telling Nichkhun to die/get hurt/go back to Thailand. Nichkhun, please reflect on your actions but ignore the people who are insulting you!
About Nickkhun......
Decent?
He cant sing. Cant dance
All looks.
Gdruggin dint drive. He smoke weed like a true kigga
Dae however has been apologized by the family
So i could care less about what netizen says
BBCs are calling for Nichkhun to kill himself (making up "death petitions") - and Hottests are telling BBCs to kill themselves first, SBS just released footage of the accident and Hottests are going "OMG, oppa didn't mean it! The motorcyclist was OBVIOUSLY faking! Other people have gotten into drunk driving accidents too!"
Oh, and my *favourite* one (HEAVY sarcasm): "Before he was oppa, he had a name and it wasn't a murder name, so why come make hating bashful comments?"
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NOcommentJuly 26, 2012 3:35 AM
All of that is beyond ridiculous. I think Nichkhun should be punished, but killing himself? NO. These Hottest fans sound delusional.
the netizen have started, everyone.......
I just read that they made a petition asking Kangin to be banned from Super Junior...
Surprised? I don't think so.... But I'm really really pissed off right now....
I think the goverment need to open a rehab facilitation for netizens, educating them what to do and what not to do..
First Jay, now Kangin, I wonder who's next..
It's like they're planning to eliminate one member of each idol groups....freaking ridiculous...
See this is KOREA for everyone. Once you hit a bad trip, people will constantly make you look like a bad person when you didn't mean that to happen. I feel really bad for him. He really needs to get out of Korea and have a nice vacation, just staying away from drama. He's probably very worried about his future career. I'm sure he didn't mean this to happen at all. When you're famous, you can get unlucky when you're with the wrong people. I just hope he doesn't commit suicide because of so many mistakes he makes. Everyone makes mistakes, but they try to find ways to heal their mistakes. So I hope he stays strong, really do. Even though I'm not fan of Super Junior or him, but it's such a sad news for someone like him to have to go through this issue.
2PM.. some connections O_O As if it was meant to be... 2PM jaebum got kicked out of Korea
folks DO try to make the situation worse for you when you are down and try to spread false rumors about you to make you look worse. An example?
http://star.mt.co.kr/view/stview.php?no=20...link=2&SVEC
The police are denying internet reports that they couldn't reach Kangin because he had his phone turned off (and thus he didn't show up for a schedule police interview). As if Kangin actually needed help in looking bad in this situation, the things some folks will do to kick someone when they are down.
Non of these compare to the heat T-ara has been getting due to a member being kick out of the group and reports about that said member being bullied by fellow members. It became such a big deal it actually over shadowed the DUI nickkhun had , the heat was shifted rather quick. That's not to say there weren't still some hater trolls hanging about. Netizen's involved with k-entertainment always gotta hate on somebody.
On that note I leave you with the 4 types of kpop trolls! http://seoulbeats.com/2011/11/the-4-types-of-k-pop-trolls/
It feels like years to me since the tragedy Daesung was involved with when he was involved in an accident that cost a man his life. Though the drunken unconscious man could have been dead before Daesung accidentally ran him over. Fans and non fans were disgruntled over what had happened.
It's understandable to be upset to a certain point , however some people take things too far.
He was driving carelessly but he did not cause the accident, that however did not stop people from accusing him of being under the influence (which he wasn't). Apparently it was a case of involuntary manslaughter only god knows the absolute truth about that.
The reason this incident as well as Kagin's Hit and Run where he later turned himself in have become a remembered incidents recently is due to Nickkhuns DUI. After having 2 glasses of beer at a company party he drove home since he had a flight to Japan the next morning. On his way home he failed to check the intersection as did the on coming motorcyclist who was not wearing his safety equipment. Had he been wearing the safety equipment perhaps he would have been less injured.
Korean Culture tends to leave little room for flaws , perfection does not exist but they strive for it so desperately you are shunned for showing flaws.
I will show you some things that have been said about these men and other entertainers. Men whom don't get let off the hook where any tom dick or harry would because They ARE Idols. People Assume they will get special treatment due to status but no my friends Idols in Korea do not get let off the hook due to fame though "normal" Citizens are , they use Idols as scape goats but do not punish everyday ordinary folks. I'll also show opinions on the way they are treated by fans from fans.
Drunk Driving' Nichkhun makes a public apology "I would like to write this letter of apology for such an irresponsible act"
추천 1,246
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....정말 식겁했다 --;;
막무가내로 감싸주는 빠순이들은 진짜
인간의 최소한의 개념도 없는 그냥 된장녀다
본인 가족들이 만약 그랬다면 어떠할지 참...
옳고 그름은 확실히 하자 스레기들아
The news really shocked me --;; The stupid fangirls that keep protecting him need to realize that they don't have the most basic common sense of a human being. If this had happened to one of their family members, how differently would they have reacted... Let's differentiate between right and wrong, you trash
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트위터에 한글로 잘 만 글 써올리더니
지가 잘못한게 있으니깐 영어로 씨부리네
태국으로 가라
라디오스타나와서 말하는거보니 박진영 닮아 언플 잘 하드만
첨엔 순수해서 좋았는데
이젠 티비에서 별루 보고싶지않다.
He used to be fine writing Korean on his Twitter, but now that he's done something wrong, he only writes in English. Just go back to Thailand. Just like Park Jin Young, I noticed that he was good at making up a public image for himself with media play on Radio Star. I liked him because I thought he was innocent, but now I don't even want to see him on TV.
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드렁쿤
Drunkhun
"Return after reflection"... Nichkhun officially announces halt in activities
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닉쿤이 음주운전으로 사람치면 => 오빠가 술먹고그럴수도잇찌 ㅠㅠ
음주운전자가 닉쿤치면 => 개XX 니가 사람이냐!!! 시X !!!
When Nichkhun hits a person while drunk driving => Oppa could do that if he was drunk T_T
If a drunk driver hits Nichkhun => Son of a bitch, how could you call yourself human!!! Fuck!!!
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돌아오다니?ㅡㅡ
Do you HAVE to come back?
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대마지용 강인구속 박유천식에 이은 또다른작품
드.렁.쿤
Marijuana Jiyong, Kangin Prison, Yoochun Asthma, and now Drunkhun
One Night', 'Drunk Driving' Alex reported, but not Nichkhun?
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한밤은 3대 기획사 똥꼬빠는곳인데 모르나?ㅋㅋ대마드래곤도 방송 안나왔던곳임 ㅋㅋㅋ
Didn't you know that the show sucks on the assholes of the big three? ㅋㅋ Marijuana Dragon wasn't reported on either ㅋㅋㅋ
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첫소식부터 음원차트 조작 나오길래 딱 알아봤다ㅉㅉ
대형기획사가 그냥 스케일만 크다고 대형기획사가 아니고
자기 식구들 사고 칠때마다 어느정도 커버까지 쳐줄수 있는
힘이있기 때문에 대형기획사다ㅉㅉ 아무튼 닉쿤 빨리 니들나라로
꺼져 이 외국인새끼야ㅉㅉ
I knew when the first article released today was about some music chart manipulation. A big company is not just a big company in size but because they have the power to cover for their artists whenever they fuck up. Anyway, I hope Nichkun hurries up and fucks off to his country. Screw off, foreigner.
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돌아가~너네나라로!!
Go back~ to your country!!
Marijuana Jiyong, Kangin Prison, Yoochun Asthma, speed bum daesung and now Drunkhun Hating on Yoochun because he has asthma?
If I wasn't into KPOP already and saw those comments,I'd be like
''wow,Koreans must be a really trashy race if the highest rated comments on one of the most read websites are like that''
Look at them pretending to be flawless beings. Sickening. THEN,they accuse sasaengs of being 'evil'
wow,it seems like everyone says that netizens treat both Daesung and Nickhun differently coz' Daesung is more popular...NO,Netizens doesn't treat Daesung nicely at all...during his case, a lot of netizens been sending their hate to him...saying that he should just kill himself and just stop being a celebrity..Daesung isolate himself and find peace at the church..and when he make a public appearance with BigBang..he still receives hate though...the thing is the netizens will always react the same way when idols involve in a big scandal..but it'll go away with time...people started to accept Daesung after some time...and the same thing will happen to Nickhun too...so stop saying that people are being unfair to Nickhun and compare it to Daesung...coz' it just not right...let just wait and see how JYPE will handle this case...i just hope JYPE didn't kick Nickhun out just like what they did to Jay...finger cross...
That is incredibly mean! I understand that what Nichkhun did was not right, and that he should reflect and get the same punishment as anybody else would but I don't understand the need for people to say such horrible things to him. It's like bullying the bully who has realized that what he did was wrong and is getting punished by the teacher already, how does that make any sense? You're doing things just as bad/worse than what he did and if I remember correctly, we moved away for the eye for a eye philosophy a couple of hundreds of years ago (and to ask for him to die, that's actually even worse than simply an eye for an eye). It's not a matter of being a crazy fangirl, or forgiving him just because he's an idol, but rather that he should get the lawful punishment but not senseless emotional bashing (you complain that people who aren't idols won't get special treatment yet emotionally tear down every single frickin idol who does something wrong...yeah I clearly see how idols get "special treatment"). Damn hypocrites, whoever is telling Nichkhun to die/get hurt/go back to Thailand. Nichkhun, please reflect on your actions but ignore the people who are insulting you!
About Nickkhun......
Decent?
He cant sing. Cant dance
All looks.
Gdruggin dint drive. He smoke weed like a true kigga
Dae however has been apologized by the family
So i could care less about what netizen says
BBCs are calling for Nichkhun to kill himself (making up "death petitions") - and Hottests are telling BBCs to kill themselves first, SBS just released footage of the accident and Hottests are going "OMG, oppa didn't mean it! The motorcyclist was OBVIOUSLY faking! Other people have gotten into drunk driving accidents too!"
Oh, and my *favourite* one (HEAVY sarcasm): "Before he was oppa, he had a name and it wasn't a murder name, so why come make hating bashful comments?"
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NOcommentJuly 26, 2012 3:35 AM
All of that is beyond ridiculous. I think Nichkhun should be punished, but killing himself? NO. These Hottest fans sound delusional.
the netizen have started, everyone.......
I just read that they made a petition asking Kangin to be banned from Super Junior...
Surprised? I don't think so.... But I'm really really pissed off right now....
I think the goverment need to open a rehab facilitation for netizens, educating them what to do and what not to do..
First Jay, now Kangin, I wonder who's next..
It's like they're planning to eliminate one member of each idol groups....freaking ridiculous...
See this is KOREA for everyone. Once you hit a bad trip, people will constantly make you look like a bad person when you didn't mean that to happen. I feel really bad for him. He really needs to get out of Korea and have a nice vacation, just staying away from drama. He's probably very worried about his future career. I'm sure he didn't mean this to happen at all. When you're famous, you can get unlucky when you're with the wrong people. I just hope he doesn't commit suicide because of so many mistakes he makes. Everyone makes mistakes, but they try to find ways to heal their mistakes. So I hope he stays strong, really do. Even though I'm not fan of Super Junior or him, but it's such a sad news for someone like him to have to go through this issue.
2PM.. some connections O_O As if it was meant to be... 2PM jaebum got kicked out of Korea
folks DO try to make the situation worse for you when you are down and try to spread false rumors about you to make you look worse. An example?
http://star.mt.co.kr/view/stview.php?no=20...link=2&SVEC
The police are denying internet reports that they couldn't reach Kangin because he had his phone turned off (and thus he didn't show up for a schedule police interview). As if Kangin actually needed help in looking bad in this situation, the things some folks will do to kick someone when they are down.
Non of these compare to the heat T-ara has been getting due to a member being kick out of the group and reports about that said member being bullied by fellow members. It became such a big deal it actually over shadowed the DUI nickkhun had , the heat was shifted rather quick. That's not to say there weren't still some hater trolls hanging about. Netizen's involved with k-entertainment always gotta hate on somebody.
On that note I leave you with the 4 types of kpop trolls! http://seoulbeats.com/2011/11/the-4-types-of-k-pop-trolls/
Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Safety
Alright so normally I would be ragging on others in the lives of Idols, and not the Idols themselves but tonight I won't be doing that.
Tonight I will talk about Idols and their carelessness, in many videos where you see idols in vans it looks as though they aren't wearing seatbelts!we see it more often than we don't I have to ask what kind of message are you trying to send to others? and how little do you value your life? They know there is a possibility of being chased by sasaeng taxis. or how about the fact that they are angry at sasaeng taxi drivers fir endangering lives with reckless driving but some do not only not wear seat belts but some also let others drive even after they have been drinking and they willingly get into a car with someone who has been drinking. You are putting their lives your life and the lives of citizens on the line. Super Juniors Kangin has done 2 unlawful things while drink he assaulted someone and he was involved in a hit and run. Daesung from Big Bang had his own issue with the motorcyclist in which he has suffered a great deal of trauma from . The worse shock to me was hearing that Nickhun from 2PM was in an accident after rear ending a guy on a motorcycle chillingly similar to Daesung and that he was driving impaired like Kangin was. Nickhun is a guy I respect He had once scolded a group for the way they acted in an interview in Thailand about the floods though that seemed to be taken out of context, he said it was a serious thing and it shouldn't be taken lightly then why are you getting behind a wheel when you drank alcohol ? I am disappointed but I do not think less of him as a man people make mistakes but that mistake could have cost a life.
Korea has good entertainment but almost everything else needs work sadly, government and officials need to improve the lives of their people, better laws need to be in place more severe punishments if necessary.they need to make sure companies dealing with the public and their workers are honest people, do a background check on them. Idols need to take care of their health in all forms and should encourage others to do the same through example! Just like how Yesoeb cleaned the graffiti off the dorm wall. ity's late I will fix this up tomorrow
Tonight I will talk about Idols and their carelessness, in many videos where you see idols in vans it looks as though they aren't wearing seatbelts!we see it more often than we don't I have to ask what kind of message are you trying to send to others? and how little do you value your life? They know there is a possibility of being chased by sasaeng taxis. or how about the fact that they are angry at sasaeng taxi drivers fir endangering lives with reckless driving but some do not only not wear seat belts but some also let others drive even after they have been drinking and they willingly get into a car with someone who has been drinking. You are putting their lives your life and the lives of citizens on the line. Super Juniors Kangin has done 2 unlawful things while drink he assaulted someone and he was involved in a hit and run. Daesung from Big Bang had his own issue with the motorcyclist in which he has suffered a great deal of trauma from . The worse shock to me was hearing that Nickhun from 2PM was in an accident after rear ending a guy on a motorcycle chillingly similar to Daesung and that he was driving impaired like Kangin was. Nickhun is a guy I respect He had once scolded a group for the way they acted in an interview in Thailand about the floods though that seemed to be taken out of context, he said it was a serious thing and it shouldn't be taken lightly then why are you getting behind a wheel when you drank alcohol ? I am disappointed but I do not think less of him as a man people make mistakes but that mistake could have cost a life.
Korea has good entertainment but almost everything else needs work sadly, government and officials need to improve the lives of their people, better laws need to be in place more severe punishments if necessary.they need to make sure companies dealing with the public and their workers are honest people, do a background check on them. Idols need to take care of their health in all forms and should encourage others to do the same through example! Just like how Yesoeb cleaned the graffiti off the dorm wall. ity's late I will fix this up tomorrow
Monday, July 23, 2012
Article Updates on KPOP News
Alright my Justifires KEFU has brought some articles to my attention since I have been busy recently.
Recently while on Facebook I saw pictures of Suzy from Miss A who happens to be my Bias in the group. The pictures were of a type I hate VISA APPLICATION photos , in the past Super Juniors Kyuhyun's had been leaked as well . I was upset that her own fan page would actually post the pictures! why are you invading her privacy like that! then I found out her co star from Dream High Kim Soo Hyun also had his photo leaked I have fallen victim to his charms and found myself peeved knowing his photo's had been leaked too .
I was already feeling upset knowing that their photo's for their Visa Applications were not only taken by some random stranger but they were leaked for the world to see as well. Then I saw this Article http://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/9589232.html
Now I feel like molten lava will pour out my ears, This is a crime not bordering on a crime it IS A CRIME!
speaking of crimes I think it is a crime to recklessly endanger your talents! the recent incident with JaeJoong on the set of his movie injuring himself due to lack of man power to hold him up had fans all over in an uproar. I doubt it mattered what site you went to there were fans ranting about it having a hard time coping with him being injured. My Thoughts "it could have been worse he could have fallen from 5th floor to ground floor instead of 3rd!" but it was definitely unprofessional on the part of all in charge of the film , Just because he has lost weight doesn't mean 2 guys are strong enough to keep him steady have you never heard the term "better safe than sorry?" do not be cheap where the safety of your talents are involved their companies are messing that up well enough on their own thanks.
Before I get sidetracked with Companies I want to also say I do not agree with fans that intrude on personal private familial matters. Funerals are not for fans to attend no matter how much you want to support them do it after they have had the chance to grieve with their loved ones in private! http://ygladies.tumblr.com/post/27324582502/info-minzys-speech-at-madam-gong-ok-jins-funeral This made me cry but I was happy to know that at least they did not post the video Minzy is my Bias in 2NE1 but I would have cried regardless that's just how I'm wired.
Now on to companies where to start huh well some fans were upset because JYJ had a great idea to have Fan meets in the form of membership week or something of the sort but theirs were totally free. Then all of a sudden other companies jump on the band wagon and do the same thing only thing is not all made it free apparently (I'm not sure if that is fact or fiction But SME does do things selfishly in unsavory manners ).
Taken as posted in KEFU
FIRST IT WAS SM AND NOW ITS JYP COPYING JYJ MEMBERSHIP WEEK FOR THEIR FANS LOOOOL *original AKP Link has been replaced*
http://www.dkpopnews.net/2012/07/news-jyp-entertainment-to-hold-fans-day.html
I see nothing wrong with it though in all honesty it looks fun!
next we have the 3 Main KPOP Producing companies weaknesses http://seoulbeats.com/2012/07/roundtable-fatal-flaws-of-the-giants/
in reality many fans have their own way of phrasing things SME = Cheap greedy Bastard JYPE = Selfish egotist and YG = Snobby career blocker! Are you curious about the nicknames and comparisons ? lets face it everyone who has heard about SME knows how exact that statement is and if you don't agree you are in our eyes in denial, As for JYP well other than the face his own songs are always hits with the groups as stated in the article how about his other involvement in the songs either as cameos or shout outs to him he has a few lines in a song he is extremely involved to the point where it becomes a bit of a bad thing because it does not display the artists as they are but him instead. YG is selective over whom the entertainers are involved with which is snobbish and it can hold a group back instead of allowing their careers to flourish more.
Now more about Companies the top 3 are either seen as really bad or real good or just good enough with their talents depending on whom you ask. I had once heard about how T-ara's company mistreats them but never seen much proof though I was told they always give subtle clues stating mainly how they have so little to eat. I was frustrated because I do not see how anyone could stand by and not only watch that happen but let it happen . And I felt abit annoyed with the girls for not sticking up for themselves. I recently saw this article it's an eye opener and yet why are T-ara still being treated the way they are?
http://tiara-t-ara.blogspot.ca/2011/07/t-ara-reveals-theyre-more-afraid-of.html
Next we will go back to the every popularly unpopular SME http://sharingyoochun.net/2011/06/09/trans-110608-netizens-are-baffled-by-tvxq%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98crazy-suicidal-schedule%E2%80%99/ above shows the schedule dbsk were following when they were still a 5 member group tvxq dbsk had what many deem a suicide schedule I would have burned out long before they have started to show signs of fatigue and malnourishment.
then there is the way they are trying to play games with the whole court situation again http://www.gurupop.com/post/16295
too many fans to count on your body parts are in an uproar and disgruntled over this.
This is where I end my rant and update for now , bye for now til I post something else that needs justification.
Recently while on Facebook I saw pictures of Suzy from Miss A who happens to be my Bias in the group. The pictures were of a type I hate VISA APPLICATION photos , in the past Super Juniors Kyuhyun's had been leaked as well . I was upset that her own fan page would actually post the pictures! why are you invading her privacy like that! then I found out her co star from Dream High Kim Soo Hyun also had his photo leaked I have fallen victim to his charms and found myself peeved knowing his photo's had been leaked too .
I was already feeling upset knowing that their photo's for their Visa Applications were not only taken by some random stranger but they were leaked for the world to see as well. Then I saw this Article http://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/9589232.html
Now I feel like molten lava will pour out my ears, This is a crime not bordering on a crime it IS A CRIME!
speaking of crimes I think it is a crime to recklessly endanger your talents! the recent incident with JaeJoong on the set of his movie injuring himself due to lack of man power to hold him up had fans all over in an uproar. I doubt it mattered what site you went to there were fans ranting about it having a hard time coping with him being injured. My Thoughts "it could have been worse he could have fallen from 5th floor to ground floor instead of 3rd!" but it was definitely unprofessional on the part of all in charge of the film , Just because he has lost weight doesn't mean 2 guys are strong enough to keep him steady have you never heard the term "better safe than sorry?" do not be cheap where the safety of your talents are involved their companies are messing that up well enough on their own thanks.
Before I get sidetracked with Companies I want to also say I do not agree with fans that intrude on personal private familial matters. Funerals are not for fans to attend no matter how much you want to support them do it after they have had the chance to grieve with their loved ones in private! http://ygladies.tumblr.com/post/27324582502/info-minzys-speech-at-madam-gong-ok-jins-funeral This made me cry but I was happy to know that at least they did not post the video Minzy is my Bias in 2NE1 but I would have cried regardless that's just how I'm wired.
Now on to companies where to start huh well some fans were upset because JYJ had a great idea to have Fan meets in the form of membership week or something of the sort but theirs were totally free. Then all of a sudden other companies jump on the band wagon and do the same thing only thing is not all made it free apparently (I'm not sure if that is fact or fiction But SME does do things selfishly in unsavory manners ).
Taken as posted in KEFU
FIRST IT WAS SM AND NOW ITS JYP COPYING JYJ MEMBERSHIP WEEK FOR THEIR FANS LOOOOL *original AKP Link has been replaced*
http://www.dkpopnews.net/2012/07/news-jyp-entertainment-to-hold-fans-day.html
I see nothing wrong with it though in all honesty it looks fun!
next we have the 3 Main KPOP Producing companies weaknesses http://seoulbeats.com/2012/07/roundtable-fatal-flaws-of-the-giants/
in reality many fans have their own way of phrasing things SME = Cheap greedy Bastard JYPE = Selfish egotist and YG = Snobby career blocker! Are you curious about the nicknames and comparisons ? lets face it everyone who has heard about SME knows how exact that statement is and if you don't agree you are in our eyes in denial, As for JYP well other than the face his own songs are always hits with the groups as stated in the article how about his other involvement in the songs either as cameos or shout outs to him he has a few lines in a song he is extremely involved to the point where it becomes a bit of a bad thing because it does not display the artists as they are but him instead. YG is selective over whom the entertainers are involved with which is snobbish and it can hold a group back instead of allowing their careers to flourish more.
Now more about Companies the top 3 are either seen as really bad or real good or just good enough with their talents depending on whom you ask. I had once heard about how T-ara's company mistreats them but never seen much proof though I was told they always give subtle clues stating mainly how they have so little to eat. I was frustrated because I do not see how anyone could stand by and not only watch that happen but let it happen . And I felt abit annoyed with the girls for not sticking up for themselves. I recently saw this article it's an eye opener and yet why are T-ara still being treated the way they are?
http://tiara-t-ara.blogspot.ca/2011/07/t-ara-reveals-theyre-more-afraid-of.html
Next we will go back to the every popularly unpopular SME http://sharingyoochun.net/2011/06/09/trans-110608-netizens-are-baffled-by-tvxq%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98crazy-suicidal-schedule%E2%80%99/ above shows the schedule dbsk were following when they were still a 5 member group tvxq dbsk had what many deem a suicide schedule I would have burned out long before they have started to show signs of fatigue and malnourishment.
then there is the way they are trying to play games with the whole court situation again http://www.gurupop.com/post/16295
too many fans to count on your body parts are in an uproar and disgruntled over this.
This is where I end my rant and update for now , bye for now til I post something else that needs justification.
Sunday, July 15, 2012
Seoulbeats talks about fandoms
http://seoulbeats.com/2011/10/roundtable-k-pop-fandom/
So here I am looking for things related to fandoms thanks to my last posting when lo and behold I find an article by Seoulbeats where fans tell them their stance on fandoms I believe you should take a look at the link above and hear what the fans have to say about their very own fandoms.
So here I am looking for things related to fandoms thanks to my last posting when lo and behold I find an article by Seoulbeats where fans tell them their stance on fandoms I believe you should take a look at the link above and hear what the fans have to say about their very own fandoms.
KPOP the CULT of all Cultures
pics taken from http://cheesussays.hubpages.com/hub/The-Crazy-world-of-K-pop-Fandoms#
now now before you bare arms and mad dash me with your pitchforks listen to what I have to say. The witch hunting Pyre can remain as it stands and if my words hold no meaning at all I will willingly tie myself to the stake and let you burn me alive. Hopefully you are all logical rational people and it will not come to such a ridiculous end.
Girl A: Hi I am a catholic what religious order do you follow?"
Girl B: "KPOP"
Girl A: "What is KPOP?"
Girl B : o.O "you can't be serious don't talk to me until you Google searched KPOP"
Girl A: "ugh ok bye"
Girl B" OMG I can't believe she hasn't heard of KPOP where does she live under a rock! Don't Worry Oppa I know you (hearts in her eyes) "
ok ok I had my fun now down to seriousness I was talking with a friend of mine on facebook when this idea and fact first came to us.
This is how it started
Her:there's always some scandal, rumor or conflict going on and the first ones to run their mouths and start shit are so called fans
Me:it's really just so useless
Her: not anti's
not sasaengs
the fans themselves
that's what's so crazy
it really is useless
Me: it's like Shawol's and Elf's and Cassie's all from the same company and always at each others throats
Her: doesn't help anyone yeaaah I know and it's annoying to people that belong to more than one fandom you are forced to choose sides or none at all and just stay out the fight
Me:Like Me!
Her: fandoms are like organized religions I swear to god
Me: I agree!
Her:it's that serious to some people it's a way of life to them
there are rules, moral codes, social obligations, and of course the "gods" would be whoever the fandom follows
it's scary
Me: OMG that's too true
Her: more like a cult or disorganized religion
I just thought of this now o.o
but it all makes sense
.....
I agreed KPOP is like a cult the conversation continued
Her: it is!
and sometimes if you leave you are ostracized
that's not to say you can't change your mind
but it's like you have to be in it for life
I'm not gonna lie and say I haven't said this to people before
I don't like fickle fans that change loyalties to fit how they are feeling that day or month
one day they're a Cassie, the next they're a SHAWOL, then a month later they are an elf and hate DBSK and SHINee
[-_-]
Leaving the fandoms completely then going back like it's nothing .
I would now like to point out Sasaengs are part of the KPOP Cult along with fans and Anti fans. With Sasaengs you cannot leave the group if you do they abuse you as I have recently heard in another person's post on the matter of sasaengs. They are truly in it for life.
Her:some Kpop fans are selfish
others are selfless
I HATE when people buy a shitload of tickets just to resell them at a higher price
but that's not just in Kpop
but some Kpop fans pull together they donate to organizations in individual members' names I did that for a project for Siwon's birthday
I donated $14 to UNICEF ^^
Me:I've only donated once and it was for the funeral of Mr.Park for the wreath given by international fans. *referring to Yoochuns father*
Her: I think it's good to donate regardless
but to donate because you want to help people AND make your idol proud of you
that's really great Kpop fans do that a lot. That's really the thing I'm most proud of they're quick to pull together, I'm always like "how the fuck did they get 100 million won for that cause so fast!?"
they're passionate and that passion is powerful when used for something positive
often times it's used to bash, hurt, and put down others.
and so that is the conversation for most part that really got me thinking but her is the rest after we navigated back on track.
Her: so you finished the blog?
Me: yea but I will end up writing more
considering writing something like K-POP The Cult of all Cultures
lol
Her: oh my god I agree with everything!!!
lol you so should
though maybe not call it a cult
some people might take offense and make a big deal out of that word
cuz cult is something SERIOUS that has hurt many people
never heard of a good or innocent cult
Me: well sasaengs are definitely the cult part of it
Her: like that guy who married all the women in his cult and had kids with the kids
then made the parents kill the kids then themselves so horrible T_T
ME: well some consider Jehovah's to be a cult lol
but I don't think they are bad
Her: I'd tread lightly on that subject
Me: lol yeah well honestly I want the heat (that's right come try to throw me in a frying pan if you really disagree so strongly)
Her: oh well then, you go girl! xD
Me: I want people to really think about what they are doing
pushing people into corners and shit
lets face it any rational logical sensible person such as ourselves
will look at the points and agree how k-pop fandoms are a form of cultism
maybe they do not go to the extremes not like CULTS do
but sasaengs pretty much are
Them and Anti's are like the KKK of K-Pop or K-Entertainment
Her: I just looked up the many definitions of cult
cult can be an excessive admiration for a particular person or thing
Kpop fans DEFINITELY have that down pat
excessive
over zealous
Me: lol yea
heck even me
when I first found out about SJ
I was totally totally obsessed
but the initial awe of it all died down fast enough
and I would never have done anything extremely crazy, I had to watch every video I could find and search everything on their music and TV appearances and such. (I actually did that with FTIsland too though I was already aware of who Seunghyun and Hongki were)
And so let's get all the facts on why this is a cult amongst all cultures
no matter where you are in the world you can find K-Entertainment fans age, race, gender it matters not! they ARE there trolling youtube and twitter and any other fansite. They are there supporting and loving artists and actors alike or they are harming and hurting stalking and manipulating.
There are rules you MUST follow in a fandom
1) NEVER DISAGREE with what they say about their Bias,
2) Never have an Opinion that differs from their own.
3)DO NOT SUPPORT A GROUP when a member Leaves the group for whatever reason and make sure you sign every Suicide petition and disbandment petition that comes your way! You MUST FIGHT with anyone who Supports the remaining members.
4)DO NOT SUPPORT ROMANTIC PAIRINGS OF THEIR BIAS with ANOTHER WOMAN! but it's ok if it's the OTP they support. Because Shipping 2 grown men together is aok! (mind you I have nothing against BL I am a fan of it, however I am not delusional believing they are all real couples )
5)DO NOT SAY ANYTHING THAT SOUNDS INSULTING (Girl A "that out fit doesn't suit him" Girl B "what the hell B(&$%^ you saying MY OPPA is UGLY?! What do you mean it doesn't suit him!!!" Girl A (omg her eyes are glowing red) "chill I just meant he looks better in an outfit that shows off his muscled arms" Girl B "OMG DON'T LOOK AT OPPAS ARMS THEY ARE MINE!"
6) DO NOT SUPPORT ANY OTHER FANDOM! (Fans Voice "Just because you are in one fandom does not mean you cannot support another group, officially or unofficially. If they are doing a good job, they merit your applause. Just refusing to clap for them because they are not your fandom is spiteful. Hypocrites!!! " I agree but rules are rules and they do not support others)proof of that has been seen on fancams on youtube.
the following are from my friend whom I had the conversation with in the first place though I ended up adding some again as well.
7) all female idols that do duets with, appear on variety shows or dramas, or musicals with one of your male biases or all female back up dancers that grind up on your favorite idols are automatically slutty bitches trying to steal your men and come between you two.
8)once an idol makes a mistake, you can never forgive them. they will always be a horrible person in your eyes and you can never look at them the same way again (example: Park Yoochun and the "fan beating" incident, Block B in the Thailand interview, Jay Park leaving 2PM due to controversy, CAP and his "masognyny", etc)
9) You MUST hold grudges for the longest amount of time possible! NEVER forgive anyone for making Mistakes!
10) Idols, both male and female, can never ever date anyone or get married, especially not each other, because they belong to fans forever and always. Or else that person will receive extreme amounts of hate mail, death threats, and daily harassment from the fandom. We want our idols celibate and alone for us to act out our fantasies on. (example: SKK and Jonghyun, Goo Hara and MBLAQ's Junhyung, etc. Hara was hated by many netizens and told she didn't deserve him and that Junhyung was too perfect and beautiful for her. Male Hara fans also hated on Junhyung. SKK received daily hate mail and death threats from so called fans because they didn't want her with Jonghyun and she had to shut down her Internet fan cafe.)
11) During a fanwar, it is perfectly acceptable to bash, insult, and start rumors about the other fandom's band because after all, the fandom is essentially EXACTLY like the band and an accurate representation of how they act and think.
12) if you don't know all the member's names, you clearly aren't a true fan of the band and shouldn't even show your face in public, let alone Internet forums
13) you're not an elitist if you try to correct everyone on every single fact, detail, and information about your favorite band. you're just a well educated fan and you feel it is your duty to share your knowledge with the world.
(I HATE FANS LIKE THIS!!!)(me too!)
14) girl bands: if you are a female fan, you usually aren't a fan of many bands with the same gender, or a fan of them at all, you prefer men by default since you can't fangirl over the physical attributes of women (unless you like that sort of thing or get girl crushes.) they are pretty much useless in your eyes and you don't think they're as good musically as your OPPAS and can never compare to them.
for some people they literally are so consumed by Kpop they can't like anything else, I understand that but don't put down others that aren't so consumed and so we have number 15
15) Kpop, and in a broader sense Asian music is the best in the world. EVERYONE else should just stop singing and stop trying cus they'll never be as good as my favorite Asian bands. If you do like other genres and musicians you are NOT a TRUE fan you are a TRAITOR!
16) HATE on and BASH Anyone who does cover songs of your Oppas They can never compare and should just stop singing they will never get anywhere. This is even more accurate if you are non-Asian! (There was a video where a guy from Congo or something did a cover of Bigbang or TOP and he felt there was no need to say whom the original singer was though he did claim it was a dedication.And he changed the info once VIP's complain regardless of the changes he made the VIP's were so racist towards him and said so many mean things that in the end he closed his youtube account which was a shame coz he had skills)
17) YOU MUST be willing to chase your Bias anywhere you can , DO NOT FORGET you must visit their homes work places and hotels where you will do the following ....
Leave Gifts, Order food, YELL Regardless of others staying in the building, Follow them to and from activities and schedules. Cause Traffic accidents so you can get a glimpse of Oppa, Quit school and lie so you can work closer to Oppas. Take photo's of them and record them video tape them as well every chance you have. Write Blood letters to your biases. Find their family members and btoher them for personal information on your Bias get their numbers and call them all the time. YOU MUST Try to touch them once but NEVER try to get over friendly with OPPA!~ WE WILL FIND YOU AND TEACH YOU A LESSON!
18) Brag about EVERY encounter you had with OPPA good or bad OPPA notices you no matter what you do! Try and do more for Oppa than any other girls do Oppa will think of you more if you bother him the most! Oppa would not be famous without YOU stalking him!
19) everything you see, hear, and read about IS TRUE. don't wait for the facts to come out. make your own assumptions and stick to them no matter what anyone says. however your idol acts is his true self. he hides nothing from fans. fans know their idols better than even their families and friends
20) Form mini cults to gang up on other members in the group your bias is part of, lie steal and cheat to be closer to your Bias. Also form groups to harass groups you believe are rivals of your Bias, OPPA will be SO PROUD to know You are Evil and Dishonest. Oppa loves his fans even if they cause harm!
The best Rule out there is
gather in groups and show support by flash mobs and community service, do good deeds in the name of your Biases. LOVE and SUPPORT your Biases no matter what they go through and what others say. Being LOYAL is how we true fans roll Like BOSS we know how to Love and ARE Loved in return for it.
And so that concludes why KPOP is a cult of all cultures because people from all around the globe do these things in here I have included things good fans bad fans non fans all do. but definitely more of the negatives because although we see good things in K-Entertainment the truth of the matter is it has become a scary and Negative world we've submerged ourselves in.
There is a final thing I would like to point out someone else had stated something similar to what I will now say. Hallyu or whatever the Korean wave people or CEO'S Company owners and staff some fans too believe that boy groups and idols and the girl groups too are what has been keeping K-ENTERTAINMENT on the Global forefront I hate to break it to you (actually I don't) but YOU'RE WRONG! yes SHINee, Super Junior, DBSK\TVXQ , Big Bang so on so forth they ARE popular but they are NOT the only people we Foreigners are interested in. I have stated it before I got interested in KPOP because of BOA and I am not the only person who got interested in the K-Entertainment business because of Boa's influence many current Korean Idols have also said Boa inspired them to be entertainers in the first place. Actors play a big part in our interest too I know plenty of people in the world who while they are not big fans of Korean music love Korean dramas. Some even end up getting the sound tracks of their beloved dramas. SO to All you cynics who think K-Entertainment would be no where without the boy groups you are WRONG JYJ proved that all on their own. Rock bands have also shown they are popular in foreign countries for example CNBLUE and FTIsland! so I leave you with all this to chew over spit it back in my face if you want.
how do you like the truth?
Does it leave a sour taste in your mouth?
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